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Herman Cain~a dem conspiracy? Options
4petasake
#1 Posted : Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:25:22 PM
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So what about it, the repug consensus is that the sexual accusations are a dim conspiracy. Does it matter to you if he is guilty? What say ye?
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pgculater
#2 Posted : Wednesday, November 09, 2011 12:35:04 PM
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If Herman Cain is guilty, would it bother me? Guilty of what? Coming on to a woman, however boorishly? If the stories are true, any "guilt" he bears is confined to his marital relationship, and certainly ought not to be a crime.
If it is a crime, it's another side of the fence in GG's "Catching Pigs" story. So say I.
4petasake
#3 Posted : Wednesday, November 09, 2011 6:56:10 PM
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It speaks to his morals, his ethics, his honesty, his honor. If he treats his wife like that do you think he will treat the country any better? We can strive for an honorable man but it is likely to come back void in this day and age. Never the less, we should never give up that goal. IMHO.
pgculater
#4 Posted : Thursday, November 10, 2011 3:35:14 AM
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"If he treats his wife like that, do you think he will treat the country any better?"
Consider John F Kennedy or Franklin D. Roosevelt. Or (gag) Bill Clinton.
As to whether the charges are even true or not, Ann Coulter has an interesting investigative analysis on the origin of the charges in Human Events titled "David Axelrod's Pattern of Sexual Misbehavior".(http://content.eaglepub.com/?laPa4ZYL3K2HSh6O-bg1l5gciHWsuSMRl)
As part of the feminist campaign to empower women, there has been a push to require that a woman be believed, without corroboration, just because she is a woman.
This is madness.
Think of the women you have met in your life. Have you ever met one who lied? Do you really think there are no women who would lie, even under oath, for money or political advantage, or just to screw over a guy she was mad at?
It is one mark of a generous nature to be willing to give the benefit of the doubt to someone who has been accused without proof.
wchan22
#5 Posted : Thursday, November 10, 2011 8:47:09 AM
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Herman Cain is an honorable man, however I disagree with his solutions. I would Sue her and Gloria Allred and make them tell who is paying her bills or go to prison.Put a stop to this Crap Once and for all. If it isn't stopped the democrats will do this every election Cycle. I fight fire with fire.Do you P-- on a forest fire and expect it to go out?
When the democrats showed Ryan shoving grandma off the cliff ,I would have made the same ad showing Harry Reid throwing grandpa off the same cliff.Anytime a dimmy opened their mouth I would show them their ad.
4petasake
#6 Posted : Thursday, November 10, 2011 5:58:17 PM
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pgculater wrote:
"If he treats his wife like that, do you think he will treat the country any better?"
Consider John F Kennedy or Franklin D. Roosevelt. Or (gag) Bill Clinton.
As to whether the charges are even true or not, Ann Coulter has an interesting investigative analysis on the origin of the charges in Human Events titled "David Axelrod's Pattern of Sexual Misbehavior".(http://content.eaglepub.com/?laPa4ZYL3K2HSh6O-bg1l5gciHWsuSMRl)
As part of the feminist campaign to empower women, there has been a push to require that a woman be believed, without corroboration, just because she is a woman.
This is madness.
Think of the women you have met in your life. Have you ever met one who lied? Do you really think there are no women who would lie, even under oath, for money or political advantage, or just to screw over a guy she was mad at?
It is one mark of a generous nature to be willing to give the benefit of the doubt to someone who has been accused without proof.


Did I say the accusations are true? Did I say he is guilty? I asked a question. How many women will it take for you to believe anything against someone you are for? Your answer to my question says that even if they are telling the truth it won't make a difference to you as far as your opinion of him goes. Are you giving the women that have come forward the "benefit of the doubt"? You don't seem to mind that there is no proof behind his innocence either:) I don't see your generous nature when it comes to the other side of the story.
You can lead an elephant to water but you can't make.......
There is always two sides. Only one is being posted here if I don't post. That doesn't make me either Dim or repug that makes me unbiased.
"Just the facts mam"
wchan22
#7 Posted : Friday, November 11, 2011 9:19:02 AM
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4petasake wrote:
pgculater wrote:
"If he treats his wife like that, do you think he will treat the country any better?"
Consider John F Kennedy or Franklin D. Roosevelt. Or (gag) Bill Clinton.
As to whether the charges are even true or not, Ann Coulter has an interesting investigative analysis on the origin of the charges in Human Events titled "David Axelrod's Pattern of Sexual Misbehavior".(http://content.eaglepub.com/?laPa4ZYL3K2HSh6O-bg1l5gciHWsuSMRl)
As part of the feminist campaign to empower women, there has been a push to require that a woman be believed, without corroboration, just because she is a woman.
This is madness.
Think of the women you have met in your life. Have you ever met one who lied? Do you really think there are no women who would lie, even under oath, for money or political advantage, or just to screw over a guy she was mad at?
It is one mark of a generous nature to be willing to give the benefit of the doubt to someone who has been accused without proof.


Did I say the accusations are true? Did I say he is guilty? I asked a question. How many women will it take for you to believe anything against someone you are for? Your answer to my question says that even if they are telling the truth it won't make a difference to you as far as your opinion of him goes. Are you giving the women that have come forward the "benefit of the doubt"? You don't seem to mind that there is no proof behind his innocence either:) I don't see your generous nature when it comes to the other side of the story.
You can lead an elephant to water but you can't make.......
There is always two sides. Only one is being posted here if I don't post. That doesn't make me either Dim or repug that makes me unbiased.
"Just the facts mam"

Icould not help but notice that all the men you mentioned are DEMOCRATS
gentlegiant
#8 Posted : Saturday, November 12, 2011 10:43:48 AM
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I think there is probably some truth in the allegations about Cain, but then I wonder why all these women have waited until now to bring up the allegations? Was it from fear, or not enough money, or not the right time for the best publicity to make money.

Then I start to wonder about how our wonderfully elected officials have been getting into politics. Most are career politicians, and lawyers, some have served some have not, but all of them are really good at taking 1 line out of a speech that was made 5 or 10 years ago and blowing it into epic proportions, with only a slight resembalance of the truth left.

For instance our President never won any elected office untill the presidency. He won every position he held either thru smear tactics or "The Good Ole Boy Back Room Deals", but never honestly. Now I look at America today and wonder what and how much Bush and Obama, have sold that was actually the peoples future and not theirs to even think about benefitting from.

Mr. Obama has received billions of dollars thru tactics that he made illeagal, but is skirting his own law. Therefore I think that this will be an election where we see every canidate put thru the washer and hung out to dry, regardless if it is the Truth or not. After all that is what Obama does.

The supercommitee will not come to any type of an agreement on the deficit. The can will either be kicked on down the road or the democrats will use it as ammunition for the upcoming election or both. We can not afford more taxes or restrictions at this time. We need to see less regulation, less taxes, and more breathing room for the people to get our country fixed, if we are allowed to.

Of course that is if we have an election. It wouldn't surprise me with the way our president is acting if he uses executive power, to say we are in a wartime situation, and the election isn't held at all, taking us even further into chaos. He has already abused his power by hiring more czars than any other president, working around congress and the senate to pass bills he wants, rushed his Obama Care to the supreme court, given amnesty to his illegal family, (if they are all illegal how can he be a US citizen), placed Musilims in high positions as his czars, killed the Nebraska pipeline that cost us 20,000 jobs now, (and he is pro jobs?), bailed out or granted handouts to most of his Good Ole Boys.

This smear tactic on Cain is only political in my opinion and we are about to see every canidate put thru it, if our president starts getting nervous. I am just excited that people are awakening to see things the way they are and not the way our politicians tell us they are.

We The People Are In Charge With The Grace Of God And His Infinite Wisdom!
All The Vetrans Have A Nice Weekend From Now On

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4petasake
#9 Posted : Saturday, November 12, 2011 6:28:55 PM
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gentlegiant wrote:
I think there is probably some truth in the allegations about Cain, but then I wonder why all these women have waited until now to bring up the allegations? Was it from fear, or not enough money, or not the right time for the best publicity to make money.

Then I start to wonder about how our wonderfully elected officials have been getting into politics. Most are career politicians, and lawyers, some have served some have not, but all of them are really good at taking 1 line out of a speech that was made 5 or 10 years ago and blowing it into epic proportions, with only a slight resembalance of the truth left.

For instance our President never won any elected office untill the presidency. He won every position he held either thru smear tactics or "The Good Ole Boy Back Room Deals", but never honestly. Now I look at America today and wonder what and how much Bush and Obama, have sold that was actually the peoples future and not theirs to even think about benefitting from.

Mr. Obama has received billions of dollars thru tactics that he made illeagal, but is skirting his own law. Therefore I think that this will be an election where we see every canidate put thru the washer and hung out to dry, regardless if it is the Truth or not. After all that is what Obama does.

The supercommitee will not come to any type of an agreement on the deficit. The can will either be kicked on down the road or the democrats will use it as ammunition for the upcoming election or both. We can not afford more taxes or restrictions at this time. We need to see less regulation, less taxes, and more breathing room for the people to get our country fixed, if we are allowed to.

Of course that is if we have an election. It wouldn't surprise me with the way our president is acting if he uses executive power, to say we are in a wartime situation, and the election isn't held at all, taking us even further into chaos. He has already abused his power by hiring more czars than any other president, working around congress and the senate to pass bills he wants, rushed his Obama Care to the supreme court, given amnesty to his illegal family, (if they are all illegal how can he be a US citizen), placed Musilims in high positions as his czars, killed the Nebraska pipeline that cost us 20,000 jobs now, (and he is pro jobs?), bailed out or granted handouts to most of his Good Ole Boys.

This smear tactic on Cain is only political in my opinion and we are about to see every canidate put thru it, if our president starts getting nervous. I am just excited that people are awakening to see things the way they are and not the way our politicians tell us they are.

We The People Are In Charge With The Grace Of God And His Infinite Wisdom!
All The Vetrans Have A Nice Weekend From Now On

The Goverment Is The Largest Drain On American Rights And Freedoms There Is
Banks Only Sell Balarney And Your Money


There was a case settled out of court in the 90's or so the news said.
Mr. Obama better not pull anything like what you said or the people might just go and carry him out and throw him on the rocks as in "citizen Cain" He's treading on very thin ice. Is your balarney supposed to be Malarkey?
pgculater
#10 Posted : Saturday, November 12, 2011 8:51:35 PM
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4petasake, post #6..."How many women will it take for you to believe..." Just one... with proof. "Are you giving the women who have come forward the benefit of the doubt?" No, I am not. The accuser with no proof is not entitled to the benefit of the doubt. If baseless accusations are sufficient for conviction, throw out the constitution and just hang the man!
4petasake
#11 Posted : Saturday, November 12, 2011 9:14:24 PM
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pgculater wrote:
4petasake, post #6..."How many women will it take for you to believe..." Just one... with proof. "Are you giving the women who have come forward the benefit of the doubt?" No, I am not. The accuser with no proof is not entitled to the benefit of the doubt. If baseless accusations are sufficient for conviction, throw out the constitution and just hang the man!

Mr. PB, there has already been one that was settled out of court so I guess you will need two? Don't fuss about it, I am sure it will take far more than has been proven for those doubters to believe:) And that's ok too.
gentlegiant
#12 Posted : Saturday, November 12, 2011 10:00:27 PM
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WE ARE ALL INNOCENT UNTILL PROVEN BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT OF OUR GUILT!!! JUDGED BY OUR PEERS NOT THE MEDIA AND BALARNEY!! ROE VERSUS WADE, GAVE WOMEN THE TOTAL RIGHT OVER THEIR BODY? WHAT IF A MAN AND WOMAN CONCEIVED A CHILD, WHILE IN LOVE, SHE WANT'S TO ABORT (KILL) THE CHILD AND HE WANTS TO RAISE THE CHILD AS A GIFT FROM GOD! WHO IS RIGHT AND WRONG??????? IS THIS A CHOICE WE DECIDE AS INDIVIDUALS OR SHOULD WE LET THE GOVERMENT AND OTHER PEOPLE THAT I DON'T KNOW MAKE IT FOR US????
4petasake
#13 Posted : Saturday, November 12, 2011 10:25:43 PM
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gentlegiant wrote:
WE ARE ALL INNOCENT UNTILL PROVEN BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT OF OUR GUILT!!! JUDGED BY OUR PEERS NOT THE MEDIA AND BALARNEY!! ROE VERSUS WADE, GAVE WOMEN THE TOTAL RIGHT OVER THEIR BODY? WHAT IF A MAN AND WOMAN CONCEIVED A CHILD, WHILE IN LOVE, SHE WANT'S TO ABORT (KILL) THE CHILD AND HE WANTS TO RAISE THE CHILD AS A GIFT FROM GOD! WHO IS RIGHT AND WRONG??????? IS THIS A CHOICE WE DECIDE AS INDIVIDUALS OR SHOULD WE LET THE GOVERMENT AND OTHER PEOPLE THAT I DON'T KNOW MAKE IT FOR US????

Your caps mean you are posting in anger and you probably already have an answer to your question but I will throw my 2 cents in. I do not believe in abortion but will say this if I did. The man is the sperm donor only he doesn't have to carry it for 9 months or give birth and all that goes with all of that. His job is over the night of conception unless the woman decides to give birth. If he wants a say so but won't get it for donating then maybe he should protect himself against the possibility of not having a say so by preventing conception. You all don't mind leaving that part up to the woman and only the woman so why should you have a say so in the results of not using protection?
4petasake
#14 Posted : Saturday, November 12, 2011 11:52:55 PM
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gentlegiant wrote:
WE ARE ALL INNOCENT UNTILL PROVEN BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT OF OUR GUILT!!! JUDGED BY OUR PEERS NOT THE MEDIA AND BALARNEY!! ROE VERSUS WADE, GAVE WOMEN THE TOTAL RIGHT OVER THEIR BODY? WHAT IF A MAN AND WOMAN CONCEIVED A CHILD, WHILE IN LOVE, SHE WANT'S TO ABORT (KILL) THE CHILD AND HE WANTS TO RAISE THE CHILD AS A GIFT FROM GOD! WHO IS RIGHT AND WRONG??????? IS THIS A CHOICE WE DECIDE AS INDIVIDUALS OR SHOULD WE LET THE GOVERMENT AND OTHER PEOPLE THAT I DON'T KNOW MAKE IT FOR US????

This doesn't seem very gentle Mr. giant:)
gentlegiant
#15 Posted : Sunday, November 13, 2011 1:26:50 AM
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I knew a couple of couples that have had this happen when they was married conceived a child, and during the split she was going to abort for spite or whatever reason and not let her husband have any say so.
pgculater
#16 Posted : Sunday, November 13, 2011 3:44:03 AM
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4petasake #11 "There has already been one that was settled out of court". Sorry 4pet, you misread the news.
The original scandal that David Axelrod's girlfriend dug out of the National Restaurant Association's supposedly confidential personnel files were not court cases, but severance agreements. Proof was not necessary, the accusation was enough to extort a "hush money" agreement. Happens all the time; it sucks, but what are you going to do? If you go to court and win, it costs you more than the hush money extortion. Still waiting for ONE with proof.
4petasake
#17 Posted : Sunday, November 13, 2011 4:29:24 AM
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pgculater wrote:
4petasake #11 "There has already been one that was settled out of court". Sorry 4pet, you misread the news.
The original scandal that David Axelrod's girlfriend dug out of the National Restaurant Association's supposedly confidential personnel files were not court cases, but severance agreements. Proof was not necessary, the accusation was enough to extort a "hush money" agreement. Happens all the time; it sucks, but what are you going to do? If you go to court and win, it costs you more than the hush money extortion. Still waiting for ONE with proof.

I didn't read it, it was on the news. I AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT PROOF:)
4petasake
#18 Posted : Sunday, November 13, 2011 4:33:19 AM
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gentlegiant wrote:
I knew a couple of couples that have had this happen when they was married conceived a child, and during the split she was going to abort for spite or whatever reason and not let her husband have any say so.

Men leave it all to the women after a divorce. I don't blame the women. My ex paid one month of child support. He was what they call A DEADBEAT DAD. I believe the majority fall in that category.
gentlegiant
#19 Posted : Sunday, November 13, 2011 10:21:07 PM
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I know that your 100% right, not in the way the system treated you, but in your heart, (thats Gods) you did what was 95% right with friends and with Gods help 100% right. I Commend a dedicated parent!! I paid my child support, while rasing my child. I did get behind for a 2 month period when my son was staying with me. I got sued for it and attorneys fees, but kept the child. What is right and Who should decide?
4petasake
#20 Posted : Sunday, November 13, 2011 10:31:32 PM
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gentlegiant wrote:
I know that your 100% right, not in the way the system treated you, but in your heart, (thats Gods) you did what was 95% right with friends and with Gods help 100% right. I Commend a dedicated parent!! I paid my child support, while rasing my child. I did get behind for a 2 month period when my son was staying with me. I got sued for it and attorneys fees, but kept the child. What is right and Who should decide?

Don't agree with me so wholeheartedly, I am very seldom right:) As to your last question: Only the person and their circumstances should decide with Gods help.
Hope you had a nice Sabbath!
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