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4petasake wrote:gentlegiant wrote: I knew a couple of couples that have had this happen when they was married conceived a child, and during the split she was going to abort for spite or whatever reason and not let her husband have any say so. Men leave it all to the women after a divorce. I don't blame the women. My ex paid one month of child support. He was what they call A DEADBEAT DAD. I believe the majority fall in that category. That is your fault only.
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wchan22 wrote:4petasake wrote:gentlegiant wrote: I knew a couple of couples that have had this happen when they was married conceived a child, and during the split she was going to abort for spite or whatever reason and not let her husband have any say so. Men leave it all to the women after a divorce. I don't blame the women. My ex paid one month of child support. He was what they call A DEADBEAT DAD. I believe the majority fall in that category. That is your fault only. Opinions, we all have one:)
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gentlegiant wrote: I knew a couple of couples that have had this happen when they was married conceived a child, and during the split she was going to abort for spite or whatever reason and not let her husband have any say so. That is so unutterably sad. I hope she changed her mind. This would almost never happen were it not for the constant propaganda refrain from the pro-abortion media that "It's no big thing". It is a big thing. All women who have had an abortion, except a few sociopaths, know in their hearts that they have done something very wrong. Some who I know of try to deal with this guilt by denying that they have anything to feel guilty about. Some try to find comfort and redemption in religion, and they do. Sadly, most women who have had an abortion suffer quietly for years, not saying anything about it. (If you ever hear a woman brag about having had an abortion. you are listening to a radical feminist sociopath.) Some women are speaking out about their experience, both to get women who are thinking about having an abortion to think again, and to help those who are suffering to find healing. God bless them for it.
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Ouch! First Rick Perry, now Herman Cain; are these "brain freezes" contagious? I was hoping Mr. Cain would be the one to consolidate grassroots conservatives, and for a while it looked like he was doing it. The "sexual misconduct" charges, inspired by the inspirational David Axelrod, seemed to have little, if any, effect on Cain's base of support, whether because we're all depraved sexual predators or because we're motivated by a sense of justice (still waiting for proof), is for the analysts out there to decide. But asked if he supported Obama's Libya policy, Mr Cain looked like he was trying to remember where he had heard the word "Libya" before. Here's a hint, Herman: when asked if you support Mr. Obama's "xxx" policy, just say "No". It'll be the right answer 95% of the time, and way better than "Duh".
Speaking of sexual misconduct charges, they are a good example of the dishonesty inherent in the mindset of liberal ideologists (i.e., those who formulate liberal ideology, as opposed to ideologues, who follow it). First you establish a broad category (sexual misconduct), then you make sure that everybody understands that rape is sexual misconduct, (duh), then you pass a law that sexual offenders must register themselves as such with the police whenever they move. And if you can pass another law that says that "sexual offenders" can be kept in prison even after they've served their full sentences, hey, great! (Oregon, I believe, has such a law.) Finally, you pack the broad category with every offense that has the remotest glimmer of a connection to sex (things that offend women particularly get favored treatment here, despite the Fourteenth Amendment), such that peeing behind a telephone pole in the alley becomes associated with rape as "sexual misconduct". Yes, I do consider this to be dishonest.
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pgculater wrote:Ouch! First Rick Perry, now Herman Cain; are these "brain freezes" contagious? I was hoping Mr. Cain would be the one to consolidate grassroots conservatives, and for a while it looked like he was doing it. The "sexual misconduct" charges, inspired by the inspirational David Axelrod, seemed to have little, if any, effect on Cain's base of support, whether because we're all depraved sexual predators or because we're motivated by a sense of justice (still waiting for proof), is for the analysts out there to decide. But asked if he supported Obama's Libya policy, Mr Cain looked like he was trying to remember where he had heard the word "Libya" before. Here's a hint, Herman: when asked if you support Mr. Obama's "xxx" policy, just say "No". It'll be the right answer 95% of the time, and way better than "Duh".
Speaking of sexual misconduct charges, they are a good example of the dishonesty inherent in the mindset of liberal ideologists (i.e., those who formulate liberal ideology, as opposed to ideologues, who follow it). First you establish a broad category (sexual misconduct), then you make sure that everybody understands that rape is sexual misconduct, (duh), then you pass a law that sexual offenders must register themselves as such with the police whenever they move. And if you can pass another law that says that "sexual offenders" can be kept in prison even after they've served their full sentences, hey, great! (Oregon, I believe, has such a law.) Finally, you pack the broad category with every offense that has the remotest glimmer of a connection to sex (things that offend women particularly get favored treatment here, despite the Fourteenth Amendment), such that peeing behind a telephone pole in the alley becomes associated with rape as "sexual misconduct". Yes, I do consider this to be dishonest. It is funny, When a republican says something wrong it is a gaffe,But if Odipsticks 1 and Odipstick 2 says something wrong it is a mispeak or taken out of context. "RIGHT"
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gentlegiant wrote: I knew a couple of couples that have had this happen when they was married conceived a child, and during the split she was going to abort for spite or whatever reason and not let her husband have any say so. Getting back to this subject you brought up gentle. Do the laws say that the male has any rights in this case either with a married couple or a single couple?
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Roe vs Wade in my understanding has given the total choice to the woman. A male has the financial responsibility (or portion of, that is figured on income) If the child is born then he's also responsible for child support, hospital bills incurred and future unforseen financial supports as figured by a graph. But no the man has no sayso in the birth or death of a child while it is in the womb. If a man doesn't pay, a woman can do tax intercepts, garnishments, lein's on personel prperty etc.
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gentlegiant wrote:Roe vs Wade in my understanding has given the total choice to the woman. A male has the financial responsibility (or portion of, that is figured on income) If the child is born then he's also responsible for child support, hospital bills incurred and future unforseen financial supports as figured by a graph. But no the man has no sayso in the birth or death of a child while it is in the womb. If a man doesn't pay, a woman can do tax intercepts, garnishments, lein's on personel prperty etc. Well then, I reserve the right to answer another way. I don't think the father has a right to prevent an abortion unfortunately but if the woman has the baby and wants to give it up then I think the father should have a right in the say so but only if he wants the baby and he would be a good father. How do you know though? that he won't sell it or something worse? Men aren't like most women, they would rather abort then take the responsibility. Did you see the show on tv last night about just this situation? oops, early this am on nbc. Thanks for posting Gentle, it gets lonely around here, lol.
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I think if a child is conceived with Love and with God's Grace, (wheather in marriage or common law) then both people (as adults) should decide what is best. If the child will not harm the woman (except for the normal) during the development of the child, then there shouldn't be a choice except by God, aka miscarriage, etc. After all it is Gods Miracle given to the people involved. I also think if the laws was more equal we wouldn't have dead beat parents. I had the pleasure of rasing my son, so long as I kept paying child support, dealt with DHS whenever my ex decided to call them to check on the child, and defend both of us on a yearly basis when she went thru her guilt stages of allowing him to live with me.
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