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gentlegiant
#21 Posted : Tuesday, October 16, 2012 4:28:59 PM
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I totally agree, so far I haven't read anything that you have written or researched on your own that gives you any type of credit! You are defending a lifestyle that is killing the honest, hard working responsible American's and enjoy the same priveliges which must be protected at all cost's.
I just can not and will not be a part of a group of people that steal the future of their kid's, g-kid's, and gives them a deficit that sooner or later will have to be paid. If I did it I will be responsible for it! I will vote for a person that is an American By Birth, instead of a self proclaimed Musilim. But I reckon I need to be nice so I don't hurt the fragile feeling's of the poor under priveliged, that refuse to do anything to help themselves.
pgculater
#22 Posted : Wednesday, October 17, 2012 4:15:49 AM
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whatsayou wrote:
I don't see any direct personal slams or name calling or derogative remarks from me on any of the posts but you men have done plenty of personal affronts to me. GROWUP!!
All cut from the same cloth, can't put out a fair rebuttal without getting abusive. No wonder you are in your own little worlds and no one listen to you.
(post#16)

Really?

" As to your last statement you might be right but that also applies to you as far as being blinded by, what is it, race? " Whatsayu post # 6.

When you "suggest" that someone is a racist, on absolutely no evidence, you have hurled the most vicious imaginable of "direct personal slams or name calling or derogative (sic) remarks".

I am not blinded by race. You are blinded by your ego, which tells you that your opinions are absolute truth, and anybody who puts up an argument to them is just plain wrong, probably "blinded by, what is it, race?" Since that's the case, it is unnecessary for you to put any thought into a logical counter-argument to answer their points.
This attitude is best illustrated by:

"Sorry if you think I am here to answer your questions or respond to your posts. I am here to give my opinion and maybe respond to you if I feel like it. No one is obligated on a forum. I will continue to post my opinion which may be uneducated or obtuse or not to your liking. I never said I was an expert or even well versed on the subject. I am not here to impress you or the other poster. I hadn't realized I had called you names and I am sorry if you took it that way. It was never meant to be personal toward you or the other poster. It's obvious by your post that you don't like my form of posting, maybe you should just ignore me. I am not here to please you." whatsayu ""why we love rmoney" post #8

"All cut from the same cloth, can't put out a fair rebuttal without getting abusive."

We "cut from the same cloth" men have put up many a fair rebuttal without getting abusive, and also without getting a fair, reasoned response. Next time you post, try this: take a deep breath, calm down, carefully reread the post you're answering, then form your rebuttal, reread that, checking for fairness, abusiveness, germaneness. Then edit. Then post.

"First remove the log from your own eye, and then you will be able to see to remove the speck from your brother's eye."

Have a nice day.
whatsayou
#23 Posted : Wednesday, October 17, 2012 7:42:01 AM
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gentlegiant wrote:
I totally agree, so far I haven't read anything that you have written or researched on your own that gives you any type of credit! You are defending a lifestyle that is killing the honest, hard working responsible American's and enjoy the same priveliges which must be protected at all cost's.
I just can not and will not be a part of a group of people that steal the future of their kid's, g-kid's, and gives them a deficit that sooner or later will have to be paid. If I did it I will be responsible for it! I will vote for a person that is an American By Birth, instead of a self proclaimed Musilim. But I reckon I need to be nice so I don't hurt the fragile feeling's of the poor under priveliged, that refuse to do anything to help themselves.

Perhaps you need to learn the criteria of forum posting. I could care less about getting credit from you. I am here to give my opinion research is not required for posting or opinion. At least I don't have to be abusive like you three because you don't like my opinion. As to RACIST I never accused anyone of being a racist! Just more twisting and turning.
gentlegiant
#24 Posted : Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:13:57 AM
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Isn't that post a personal attack towards me? I don't think the other two have been abusive but I have been skirting on the edges to try and get you to try to apply your obvious limited abilities in order to save America!
Nah research isn't is not required for posting, but it help's alot. You have the right to spout off anything your little ego need's to say. I understand it is a safety switch, incorporated into your lifesyle, to defend your stealing from your kid's and g-kid's future. Everthing can be justified in any ones mind, in fact it is human nature, regardless of the consequences! So keep avoiding the truth, live in your cubicle, and make sure when everthing fall's apart, you remember it isn't your fault, it's probably mine as I totally disagree with most of your post's. You just keep quoteing my post's and making your little snide remark's, I enjoy it.
I need to go do something productive for this country, but you have a nice day!
whatsayou
#25 Posted : Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:27:56 AM
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gentlegiant wrote:
Whatsayou is just mad because s/he doesn't have enough nerve to get off the proverbial Tit of the goverment that allows him to think because he has had a couple bad break's in life that the rest of American's owe s/he for the rest of thier life. They are afraid to actually do anything thus it might give them a sore muscle or headach, or aggrevate their problem (themselves) in which with the administration we now have is totally understandable.

Why work when you can sat on your assets (which is probably very large by now) and be rewarded with what the working people have to struggle for to aquire?? They might go out to brag about the new cell phone, gas, house, or other things that hard working people struggle to achieve to show that they are equal in material things.

They will never know the dignity, integrity, and pride of accomplishing thing's, thru dedication, hard work, self discipline, and being frugal.
What a terrible thing This Goverment Has Done To America, By motivating people to be self serving, or serve and idolize such a corrupt institution, just so they can sat on thier asset's and waste thier lives, mind's, and any hope of being Free the way it is Intended to Be.

I will continue to Trust In God, Be Obidient, truthful, and hold his word's as the gospel, as that is the founding principles of America. Every Country that has strayed has fallen. Every Country that is in the Financial Debt We Are in has Fallen. Every Country that has had 52% or less tring to support the 47% or 48%, has had to pay the piper, This regime just keep's putting it off and making it worse!! When this finally break's (and it will) don't come to my door! I will be to busy helping people that want to help themselves!


The 47 percent rmoney talks about included what you call the boob suckers, moochers, etc which include those on SS and Medicare and unemployment. I guess you aren't one of them and it shows how much you and rmoney care about those who are suffering and struggling. You accuse the dems of this very thing. What percentage of reps are on Medicare, SS and unemployment? Yup, you certainly belong on the rmoney team! Since you think you are so intelligent maybe you should use a spell checker, maybe that will back you up a little or maybe not.
Or maybe you think you are so smart you don't need one. People who have to talk about how intelligent they are usually aren't. Take pregnant see you later(pgculater), his posts are error less as far as spelling and punctuation and they are very intelligent and well put together but you don't see him bragging on himself or putting others down concerning their intelligence.
gentlegiant
#26 Posted : Wednesday, October 17, 2012 1:10:37 PM
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You do not need to put word's into my forum's and as far as the spelling it's close enough that most people can understand what I meant to say. MAN YOUR CRITICAL!
I don't mind people using the safety measures we have in place only the abuse of HONEST AMERICAN'S by DISHONEST
PEOPLE, ILLEGAL'S, and Career Medicare Recipents, or capable people doing nothing because their lazy or because
they have no ambition.
I also enjoy PG'S opinion as they are very informative, and are well written and researched, unlike your's
God didn't make any Junk, But Our Goverment Sure Support's Lazy People!

pgculater
#27 Posted : Wednesday, October 17, 2012 8:27:11 PM
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GG & Whatsayu, thanks for them kind words.
About that greedy, rich, Repuglican bastard Rmoney:
http://washingtonexamine...le/2510746#.UH9AA6DpduB
Talk about providing a safety net!
whatsayou
#28 Posted : Tuesday, October 23, 2012 5:58:17 PM
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Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney unveiled his 2004 spending plan in early 2003.

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The Massachusetts economy was in free fall in 2002, shedding thousands of jobs each month as the collapse of the technology bubble severely damaged the state’s most important industry. In just a year, the state unemployment rate had nearly doubled, with tens of thousands of more jobs in jeopardy.

Into this shattering recession — from which the state has yet to fully recover — rode Mitt Romney, fresh from saving the troubled Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City, and promising another turnaround for Massachusetts if elected governor.

His business experience would cure the state’s recession, he said, and a “lifetime in the private sector” had taught him how to create jobs. He styled himself as a “CEO governor” who would use corporate connections to help restore prosperity.

The extent of his success is in dispute in the presidential campaign, highlighted Tuesday by Governor Deval Patrick’s attack at the Democratic National Convention on Romney’s record.
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In many ways, Romney inherited a state economy in 2003 similar to the one that President Obama found on entering the White House in 2009, one marked by deep recession, huge job losses, and a widening budget deficit. And like Obama, Romney struggled mightily, delivering at best a modest recovery dictated less by his political leadership than by sprawling global forces beyond his control.

Like Obama, Romney could also point to an economy that was much improved from the worst of the recession. But, as with the US economy today, progress was slow, painstaking, and for many, disappointing.

Romney’s campaign defends his economic stewardship as governor, saying he turned deficit into surplus, held the line on taxes, and left office with fewer unemployed than today.

A review of the record shows that at the end of his term, Romney could claim a small net jobs gain and a lower unemployment rate, but the pace of job growth significantly lagged the nation’s, and only a huge outflow of Massachusetts workers to faster-growing states kept the unemployment rate from climbing higher.

It is not quite the image of a turnaround painted by Romney’s presidential campaign.

In a statement, Romney spokesman Ryan Williams said the former Massachusetts governor added “tens of thousands of new jobs,” lowered the unemployment rate, and balanced the budget every year without borrowing or raising taxes.

“His sound management and fiscally responsible leadership resulted in a state credit rating upgrade and economic prosperity in the Commonwealth that has not been seen since he left office,” he said.

But Romney’s handling of the Massachusetts economy was more complicated than the unemployment rate or state credit rating would indicate. His budgetary and economic decisions offer insight into his personal and political priorities. There were unexpected foes, victories, and lost opportunities.

A bubble burstRomney took office in 2003, during one of the state’s deepest recessions since World War II. More than 200,000 jobs disappeared in Massachusetts after the dot-com bubble burst — more than the 143,000 jobs the state lost during the Great Recession of 2007 to 2009.

At the time, no one could foresee how deep the damage would go or how long it would take for the state to regain its economic footing.

“It was clear the state was having significant difficulties and that what had been a boom period had come to an end,” said Eric A. Kriss, a former Bain Capital colleague of Romney who later became the state’s chief fiscal officer. “As you dip into the details, you are amazed and astounded and depressed all at the same time.”

Kriss and a coterie of aides holed up in a State House office and pored over the balance sheets shortly after Romney’s election. Kriss quickly discovered the annual budget was dangerously out of balance and likely to yield a budget gap of $3 billion in the coming fiscal year.

Romney spent much of his first two years in office focusing on the budget crisis. He succeeded in closing the shortfall without raising the sales or income taxes — a notable accomplishment. Yet his approach triggered criticism.

Romney largely balanced the budget by cutting state aid to cities and towns, many of which responded by raising property taxes. In his first two years in office, Romney presided over a 15 percent cut in spending on unrestricted aid to cities and towns; he also cut more than 4 percent of funding for local schools.

Largely as a result, the average local property tax bill jumped more than $700 a year, or about 24 percent, to $3,962 from $3,206. By the end of Romney’s term, the combined state and local tax burden in Massachusetts grew to 10.6 percent of income from 10 percent, according to the Taxpayers Foundation, a Washington think tank.

Michael J. Widmer, president of the Massachusetts Taxpayers Foundation, a business-funded research group, said the magnitude of the deficit required cuts in local aid, which he called a fair, if not dynamic, strategy deployed by most governors in times of crisis.

“In broad strokes, he did pretty much what every other governor has done — he raised revenues and cut spending,” Widmer said. “It’s probably the right thing to do, to have a balanced approach.”

Romney also took on natural allies in the business community when he undertook an effort to change the tax code by closing what he called loopholes. It was controversial, but Romney said the rules allowed many companies to avoid paying taxes when the state could hardly afford it. Some banks, for example, avoided taxes by sheltering holdings in real estate investment trusts.

Business leaders opposed the effort, viewing it as a tax increase. One revision, for example, required large retailers to pay sales taxes on the printing costs of direct mail promotional advertising, which increased their taxes by about $15 million annually.

Romney supporters, such as David Tuerck, executive director of the Beacon Hill Institute, a conservative think tank, said the strategy was ill-conceived and at odds with efforts to change Massachusetts’ reputation for high business costs.

“It impacted the state’s competitiveness negatively,” Tuerck said. “Higher taxes discourage corporations from investing in the state and creating jobs.”

Romney also increased government fees on a host of services, from marriage licenses to property deeds, raising another $375 million annually.

Kriss argued that many fees had not been adjusted for inflation in decades. And, he said, closing loopholes affected a relatively small number of companies that were eluding the original intent of the tax laws.

“It was not in any way a tax increase,” he said. “It was a clarification of what you could do and what you couldn’t do.”

‘Second to none’

On the campaign trail in 2002, Romney promised a jobs program “second to none in the history of the state,” pledging to use his corporate connections to lure chief executives across America to Massachusetts.

The results fell far short of the promise. During Romney’s four years in office, the state added a net 31,000 jobs, a growth rate of about 1 percent, compared to 5 percent nationally during the same period. State unemployment fell to 4.7 percent from a peak of 6 percent but remained above the US average, then 4.4 percent.

Meanwhile, as the state’s recovery lagged other parts of the country, a net 233,000 people — 3.5 percent of the population — left the state, many seeking jobs elsewhere.

“He was going to be the number one sales person,” said Brian Gilmore, spokesman for Associated Industries of Massachusetts, the state’s largest business advocacy group. “I don’t think that turned out successfully.”

As with balancing the budget, Romney took a conventional approach to economic development, moving to reduce some business regulations and using taxpayer money, in the form of incentive programs, to try to stimulate job growth.

Widmer said Romney undertook few initiatives that could have fundamentally altered the economic equation, such as policies aimed at lowering electricity costs, which are among the highest in the nation.

Widmer pointed to William Weld, another Republican governor who took office during a recession and overhauled the state’s worker’s compensation system. It took a decade for the changes to take full effect, but worker’s compensation costs for businesses plunged by two-thirds and helped make the state more competitive.

Romney did not have the patience for tackling issues that might only pay off in the long term, Widmer said.

“His economic record was uninspired,” Widmer said. “They never developed an economic strategy nor implemented a coherent set of initiatives that would improve the state’s business climate.”

Others chafed at Romney’s frequent out-of-state trips as he tested the waters for his first presidential run.

Despite his pledge to be the state’s top salesman, he tried to woo Republican Party conservatives by bashing the state’s liberal politics and emphasizing its generous unemployment benefits — raising a red flag to companies interested in relocating here.

“I was very shocked to hear our governor on the road basically saying Massachusetts is a terrible place to do business,” said David Begelfer, CEO of the Massachusetts chapter of the National Association of Industrial and Office Properties.

David A. Tibbetts, a director of economic development under two Republican governors, Weld and A. Paul Cellucci, said Romney seemed more concerned with presidential ambitions than local economic development.

Tibbetts cited an effort by local business officials to get Romney’s administration to use federal funds to build an interchange on Interstate 93 to open land for development. Tibbetts said Romney showed little interest.

“People had very high hopes for him as governor. He’s extremely bright, talented, and involved in business. In the end, he showed no loyalty to the state he was elected to run.”

Romney was able to claim some successes, including the expansions of a Swiss dental implant maker, Straumann Group, in Andover and pharmaceutical companies Merck & Co. of Whitehouse Station, N.J., in Boston and Novartis AG of Switzerland in Cambridge.

One of his biggest wins came near the end of his term in 2006, when Massachusetts won a bidding war with other states, convincing the pharmaceutical giant Bristol-Myers Squibb to build a $750 million plant at the former Fort Devens.

Romney cited the victory at a press conference, saying the state had offered $60 million in incentives to the company to build its plant in Massachusetts, where it would eventually employ as many as 550 workers. But records show the state required Bristol-Myers Squibb to hire only 350 workers to receive the tax breaks.

And less than two months after Romney left office, MassDevelopment, a quasipublic development agency led by a Romney appointee, finalized an agreement reducing Bristol-Myers Squibb’s property taxes by about $35 million over 20 years, bringing total incentives to about $100 million.

The deal provided one of the biggest tax-incentive packages in state history. And it meant the state would ultimately pay about $250,000 for each of the 400 jobs at the plant today.

“That’s a little bit hard to justify,” said Northeastern University law professor Peter Enrich. “The reason these companies come to Massachusetts is there’s already a critical mass of companies in the biotech area here, and there has been for 20 to 30 years.”

Ads versus reality

In June, six days after a dismal US jobs report, Romney’s campaign introduced a new 30-second TV advertisement.

“As governor of Massachusetts, Mitt Romney had the best jobs record in a decade,” a voice intones over images of the State House and Romney visiting various employers and talking with workers. “From day one as president Mitt Romney’s strong leadership will make all the difference on jobs.”

Romney has invoked the image of a turnaround expert again and again, portraying himself as a leader ready to confront budget and jobs woes. Yet the ad is at odds with reality: Massachusetts experienced an anemic recovery, generating just enough job growth for Romney to claim he left Massachusetts better than he found it.

The economic situations faced by Romney and Obama appear remarkably similar. The recessions they inherited damaged economic foundations, necessitating long, slow recoveries. In each of the downturns, job losses totaled about 6 percent of employment.

Their first year in office was marked by steep job losses, the subsequent years by disappointing job growth.

Both sought increases in taxes and other revenues to help close budget deficits, and both used government money — albeit on a vastly different scale — to try to stimulate job growth.

Paul Watanabe, a political science professor at the University of Massachusetts Boston, described Romney as an effective manager who has gone to great lengths to show he was capable of saving Massachusetts’ economy and can rescue the nation from its doldrums and Obama’s policies.

Yet Romney is more like his opponent than he will admit, Watanabe said, right down to his campaign theme, “Believe in America.”

“Interestingly enough, it’s a variation of ‘hope and change.’”
Try BostonGlobe.com today and get two weeks FREE. Megan Woolhouse can be reached at mwoolhouse@globe.com. Michael Rezendes can be reached at rezendes@globe.com. Brian C. Mooney of the Globe staff contributed to this report.
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forumsupport
#29 Posted : Wednesday, November 14, 2012 3:48:20 PM
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There have been several complaints about the demeanor of a few forum posts.

Whatsayou and gentlegiant,

I have been following your posts for some time and one thing is clear is that you two do not see eye to eye and you never will.
I know that you have both realized that for yourselves. That's fine, you don't have to agree on anything. One thing I would like to see however, is a respect for your peers and their opposing opinion as we all have a voice. You are allowed to have opposing opinions without having to feel silly, exiled or insulted. I do want to remind you of the terms of service.

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- Please keep your posts clean and respectful of your fellow forum members.
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FOR EVERYONE:

Please always try to show respect for everyone as a human being and have the realization that we are all different and will have different views on everything. There will be a continued watch on the forums to be sure there is no more of this behavior. There are to be NO personal attacks. It IS personal when pronouns such as "You" are used in the same paragraph as another poster's screen name along with insults. When using asterisks* in instances starting or ending with letters, this is the same as profanity as it leads one's mind to the inappropriate word.

Please keep in mind that posting is a privilege, and if continued attacks continue, posts will be deleted at TurboUSA's discretion. We want everyone to be able to express their opinions no matter what the issue. It's up to you to not take other's opinions as a personal attack on your own beliefs. Have fun and be safe! :)

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whatsayou
#30 Posted : Wednesday, November 14, 2012 6:15:48 PM
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forumsupport wrote:
There have been several complaints about the demeanor of a few forum posts.

Whatsayou and gentlegiant,

I have been following your posts for some time and one thing is clear is that you two do not see eye to eye and you never will.
I know that you have both realized that for yourselves. That's fine, you don't have to agree on anything. One thing I would like to see however, is a respect for your peers and their opposing opinion as we all have a voice. You are allowed to have opposing opinions without having to feel silly, exiled or insulted. I do want to remind you of the terms of service.

- TurboUSA.com provides these forums as a free and added benefit of being our customer.
- Please keep your posts clean and respectful of your fellow forum members.
- Posting personal attacks or profanity is strictly prohibited.
- Violators may have their posting privileges suspended at the discretion of TurboUSA.com.

FOR EVERYONE:

Please always try to show respect for everyone as a human being and have the realization that we are all different and will have different views on everything. There will be a continued watch on the forums to be sure there is no more of this behavior. There are to be NO personal attacks. It IS personal when pronouns such as "You" are used in the same paragraph as another poster's screen name along with insults. When using asterisks* in instances starting or ending with letters, this is the same as profanity as it leads one's mind to the inappropriate word.

Please keep in mind that posting is a privilege, and if continued attacks continue, posts will be deleted at TurboUSA's discretion. We want everyone to be able to express their opinions no matter what the issue. It's up to you to not take other's opinions as a personal attack on your own beliefs. Have fun and be safe! :)

-TurboUSA Forum Support

WOW, YOU'RE ONLY A MONTH LATE?? SEVERAL COMPLAINTS?? THERE ARE ONLY 4 REGULARS AND ONLY ROBOTIC VIEWER COUNTS. YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY WHEN 'PREGNANT SEE YOU LATER' SAYS "FUCK YOU" TO ME BUT YOU COME IN NOW WHEN GG AND ME HAVE SAID VERY LITTLE TO EACH OTHER FOR WEEKS. NICE JOB FORUM SUPPORT! IF YOUR GOING TO DO YOUR JOB WHY NOT TRY TO DO IT MORE THAN HALF WAY OR ARE YOU BEING PARTIAL? YOU OBVIOUSLY MUST BE "FOLLOWING THE POSTS" CLOSELY WITH BLIND EYES SINCE YOU MISSED PGCULATER'S FU AND GG'S CONSTANT SLAMS TO MY INTELLIGENCE BUT THAT'S OK SINCE THEY ARE REPUG MEN YOU OBVIOUSLY ARE ALSO! I GUESS GG'S BEEN RUNNING TO MAMA TURBO AGAIN, BOO HOO. CAN'T HANDLE ANY ADVERSITY HUH GG? MAYBE I SHOULD TRY THAT, A CALL EVERY TIME I DON'T LIKE SOMEONE DISAGREEING WITH ME! CRY BABIES ALL!!!

SO LONG BIG BABIES! NOW YOU WILL ONLY HEAR WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR. YES YES YES, I AGREE WITH YOU I AGREE WITH YOU I AGREE WITH YOU!
pgculater
#31 Posted : Thursday, November 15, 2012 5:02:11 AM
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Whatsayu, I repeat from my post #22 above:

"We "cut from the same cloth" men have put up many a fair rebuttal without getting abusive, and also without getting a fair, reasoned response. Next time you post, try this: take a deep breath, calm down, carefully reread the post you're answering, then form your rebuttal, reread that, checking for fairness, abusiveness, germaneness. Then edit. Then post."

That advice would have served you well in your response to "Forum Support".

We are all occasionally guilty of letting our emotions run away with us (hence my fu response to your suggestion that I'm a racist).

You frequently post emotion-laden comments (like #30 above) that make it sound like you are being victimized by "cut from the same cloth" men, or Repugs, or whatever flavor oppressor of the day. CALM DOWN! you don't have to answer every real or perceived insult in kind - that just ups the emotional ante, goading the other person to get bent out of shape.

Really, calm down.
gentlegiant
#32 Posted : Friday, November 16, 2012 10:11:28 PM
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Obama Won The Election, Regardless of How, He Is Commander & Chief For 4 More Year's! Or Is He?
Thank's Forum Monitor! I Was Becoming Lost!

There's a Storm Coming

I know this is going to sound strange. But the truth is that I have an extraordinary peace about the situation that exists here in America. I suppose it’s what Scripture calls the peace that passes all understanding, because I don’t understand it. My wife doesn’t understand it. Most of my taunting liberal listeners don’t understand it. They think that I’m just putting on a brave face and trying to pretend that I’m not devastated. But I’m not. I’m really okay with everything.

This isn’t some deluded sense of finding and focusing on silver linings or ignoring the sound drubbing that common sense received at the polls last Tuesday. Not at all. I am keenly aware of what happened and what it means. I have finally accepted the fact that the real delusion is the one I have been living in for the last few years thinking, believing, hoping that our culture really wasn’t where our culture is. We have crossed the threshold. We have passed the tipping point. There’s no denying that. The takers outweigh the makers, and have realized that they can vote themselves loot from other peoples’ pockets. And our political leaders are so unprincipled that all they want is power. And they have realized the best way to get that power is to promise the takers that they will deliver the loot.

From an historical perspective, that’s the ball game for a republic. The point we have reached is the point previous republics began their slow, miserable descent into oblivion. We are there. There’s no denying it or pretending otherwise. People who should and do know better actually went out last Tuesday and voted to continue shackling their own children with insurmountable debt, simply so that they could get a taxpayer bailout and keep their lifestyle the way they want it on someone else’s dime. When your moral center has been corrupted to the point that you are willing to throw your own children under the bus for personal gain, there’s no going back.

So that’s where we are – period. It should be obvious I harbor no delusions about things not being as bad as they seem for those of us who believe in what America and Americans used to be. They’re worse. America no longer embraces individualism…we have slid into a collectivist mindset. America no longer values personal autonomy…we value a bloated welfare state. America no longer rewards personal responsibility…we honor decadence and self-indulgence. America no longer admires hard work…we punish it and rob from its fruits in the name of “fairness.” How can anyone of conscience take on these attributes? How can a nation come to embrace such a destructive path? There’s only one word for it – and it’s a word that you don’t hear politicians of either party using anymore because of the implications associated with it. The word is sin.

We are a sinful people. And our sins have overwhelmed us.

So how can I possibly have a peace in such a time? Because there is something liberating about finally acknowledging the truth about our society. I love what America was and can be. I do not love what America is becoming. But I am reassured in Scripture that my hope is not placed in the hands of any man or any civilization – my hope is in the Lord alone.

I’ve had several absolutely demoralized Christians write to me or approach me and ask why God would allow Barack Obama and the Democrat Party – a Party that has embraced the sins of Romans 1 as their party platform – to rule. If no authority rises on earth except those whom God has ordained or allowed, why would He allow this?

They may not like my answer at first, but the truth is that throughout history (Biblical and otherwise) God has used evil and corrupt leaders as punishments for evil and corrupt people. He has disciplined and refined His faithful through the fire of punishment and storm. The storm is coming. I don’t say that as a prophet, I say it as a realist. We are a nation with the blood of over 50 million of His innocent creations on our hands. We are a nation that calls His definition of marriage and family bigoted while claiming to be fairer and more decent than God Himself. The storm is coming.

I don’t know what form it will take, I don’t know how long it will last, I don’t know what it will entail. But this much I know – God’s people will emerge on the other side of it. There’s my peace. A friend emailed me last week and reminded me that Joshua and Caleb were faithful to God, yet still had to walk around in the wilderness for 40 years because a bunch of losers in their nation rebelled against God. Daniel and his buds had to go into exile because the morons in their nation rebelled against God. But at no moment, and in no way did God love them less, provide for them less, or break a single promise to them. He was faithful.

That’s why I have a peace. I believe the persecution of the church is coming. I’ve thought that for some time. With the HHS demand that Christians pay for abortion drugs, with businesses already being fined and punished for defending Biblical sexual morality, it’s only going to get worse. And when it does, what we will see is a separating from the sheep and goats. We will see for the first time in the American church how many of those who wear the name “Christian” will stand with God rather than stand with men. Casual Christianity is on its way out the door in America.

How long do we have? How intense will it get? I don’t know. But I have a peace about knowing that all I have to do…is to be faithful. God is on His throne.

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